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Nick Griffin is every bit as legitimate a "community leader" for the white working class as his equivalents for other interest groups. He's self-selected, he's extreme and most of his "community" think he's an ass.

Despite River Ward in Dagenham where I used to live being one of the areas named under the scheme to benefit I don't expect the £12 million to be spent on actually building anything practical - like getting white boys interested in reading at Rectory library through using local history, the West Ham FC connection, the story of local men like Alf Ramsey, Terry Venables and George Carey. Local and family history is a growing fascination - work on it.
At one time the two most important men in the country, the Archbishop of Canterbury and the England manager were both from Barking.
I fear from this article in the Independent http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ministers-to-spend-16312m-fighting-white-workingclass-extremism-1802824.html that it will be spent on trying to manipulate perceptions, not tangible stuff.

Ministers are to spend £12m reassuring 130 "traditional communities" across the country that immigrants and non-white residents are not unfairly taking their jobs and houses. The community initiative follows growing concerns that extremist groups such as the BNP are feeding on fears and myths that the white working classes are victims of social injustice.

Patronising toads!

This is typical Labour & a good indication of why I'm against identity politics.

I don't think we should have had immigration on such a large scale as we've had, & I certainly think it should be reduced now. But if we are going to have immigrants, why rub everyone's face in the fact that they're different & try to create voting blocs of people who won't be treated as individuals, but as part of a great big lumpen mass?

The logical conclusion, after spending taxpayers' money on bugger knows who & what, was to go after people they consider BNP fodder. I am white & working-class, & don't really think the descriptions of what "the white working class" think in the right-wing media really match me. In fact I find the whole thing rather patronising.

As I said, typical Labour behaviour through & through. It should be opposed- they shouldn't be strewing money around, or setting up voting blocs to buy off, & I can't for the life of me see it being well spent.

Weirdly enough, I read a report in the Groan that mentioned the estate I live on as one of those that will benefit. It is a fairly shite place, but not one of the worst in the city. The worse estates generally have all BNP councillors, whereas we have none- have they given up on the existing BNP areas & decided on strategy of containment or what?

I've drifted towards your view on things like immigration but I've never really stopped being a liberal at heart, & haven't changed my underlying philosophy. So it may be that I'm more affronted by this than yourself because I'm less communitarian by some, but the phrase "the white working class", the idea of identity politics of any kind, the patronising tone, will all set me off.

Definitely worth further & further examination but I dislike it on sight.

PS- Do you use twitter? I am on there as "asquith" if you're bothered.

With further reference to "voting blocs". It will blow up in Labour's faces because a lot of blacks & Asians are natural conservatives. A lot of them live in areas that suffered under Thatcher, but they're still not anyone's idea of a reliable left-wing bunch & I wouldn't be surprised to see a new generation of Tories from ethnic minorities. Sayeeda Warsi is an example I've had my eye on for some time because she really typifies this sort of thing.

Not to mention the fact that so many are socially conservative & authoritarian... which, of course, is bad news for me as I am a firm atheist & secularist, & that's one reason why I'm against importing people with such reactionary attitudes.

What asquith said. I look forward to the day when we can dismiss ideas by slapping them with a label of 'identity politics' like we currently do with 'politically correct'. Lazy thinking I know, but it seems to be the kind of thinking that people respond to.

Asquith has a definite point.

Crawling to the amazingly backward "community" - meaning RELIGIOUS self-selected, self-elected "leaders, who want to make women third calss-citizens (on a good day) and have separate laws for differnt sections of the "community" is a garuanteed recipe for disaster, but gory brron the Presbyterian reactionary can't see it!

"The white working class is to be treated as just one of many religious, cultural and ethnic groups that make up multicultural Britain."

I'm not sure I agree with this, Steve. It implies that the WWC are destined to be treated as equal partners at the multicultural table.

I'd say they are seen more as noisy hecklers who, regrettably, cannot yet be excluded from the room for tedious logistical and administrative reasons. Until this minor difficulty can be overcome, the indigenous population are thrown the occasional sweetie to keep us quiet.

"I look forward to the day when we can dismiss ideas by slapping them with a label of 'identity politics' like we currently do with 'politically correct'."

We'll have to wait until most members of minority "communities" realise for themselves that it's a load of shite & isn't helping them.

Regrettably the present government seem determined, consciously or unconsciously, to prevent such a thing ever happening.

£12M to buy votes back off the BNP in working class communities.

£60M in aid to Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe.

They just don't get it do they.

What’s the best thing that government can do for all of us? Laissez-nous faire! Just end social engineering all together; don’t switch from letting touchy Muslims control the country to letting touchy BNPers control the country.

When the force monopolizers use their unique position to start trying to control behavior and thoughts that’s when the trouble starts. I don’t think talking about “the working class”, “casualised labour market”, “competition for jobs and resources“ (a new phenomenon? Has there never been competition for jobs and resources?), “liberals” (I must say you have a strange idea of what constitutes a liberal) or whatnot isn’t the answer; just get off our backs and leave us ALL alone!

Labour are fire fighting - each time a group makes a din they get money. Every time a self-appointed representative of a group makes a din they get money. Some groups keep making noise and keep getting money. Labour firmly believe that money is the solution to all ills.

When you have destroyed communities by playing ethnic and religious groups against each other you will not fix it again by throwing money them. There is little to cement disparate peoples together. Is this what they wanted or were they just short-sighted in wanting to rub the Right's nose in diversity: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html ?

There are lots and lots of people from different backgrounds all kept quiet with taxpayer money. There is little community spirit to hold us together when that money runs out. A grasping sense of entitlement runs rich from Westminster downwards.

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