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"We discovered that the Red Army we had feared for so long had probably been incapable of launching an attack on the West for many years."

But whilst that is true (I had a fascinating chat with an ex-Sergeant from a nuclear/heavy artillery regiment - he reckoned he never saw more than 30% of the regiments vehicles able to leave their sheds), it downplays the mindset: the East Germans were actively and actually prepared for the invasion of West Germany and had all the stocks of East German ID cards for the newly enslaved West German population.

What is your view of this Ostalgie? I was commenting on this on a right-wing American blog I frequent:

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/theanchoress/2009/11/09/ah-the-good-old-stasi/
("dry valleys" is me).

I would be quite curious as to what stance you took on this matter, as you haven't really touched on it today-

PS- I am 24 &, accordingly, have no recollection of those days myself. None of the old-timers I know has ever mentioned the political culture of the past, they are all fairly apolitical & I wasn't brought up to hold any particular set of views.

My abiding memory of the only visit I made behind the iron curtain, in 1979, was in East Berlin, Alexanderplatz, the Trafalgar Square of E. Berlin. There was a snack stall, with a large queue which was selling hamburgers, when these were sold out they fried up some sausages and sold those. There was no question of offering a choice.

Asquith, I'm somewhat sceptical about all forms of nostaligia. I can understand that some people feel left behind and that many of the promises of 1989 have not come to pass but I can't believe that many people would really want to go back to living under a dictatorship. Democracy and the market-based economy are not perfect but they must be better than dictatorship and state-capitalism.

Frank - you should go to Alexanderplatz now. It's a fine square with some good bars and cafes round about. I'm sure you can still get hamburgers and sausages too.

Yes, I quite agree with your premise. I am at pains to point out that those who hark back to the 50s would be the first to complain if they were shoved in a time machine & put back in those days- wouldn't want anyone thinking otherwise, though I have managed to give the wrong impression of myself quite a bit today.

I was merely referring to the slagging off of Bruni de la Motte. While she is something of a glib twat, that isn't QUITE all.

You are the only other person I have ever met who listened to Radio Tirana. 7.00 - 7.30pm, half an hour of criticism of the US and the USSR for being imperalist running dogs, long live Chairman Mao and Ho Chi Mihn, finished off with 'an Albania popular song' which had no discernible words but rather a lot of bassoon. 5 minutes silence then the whole thing kicked off again in French.
My only trip behind the Iron Curtain was a week in Prague in December 1986. I needed a holiday after my father dies and my first marriage broke up somewhere completely different. I got a taxi one foggy morning to Karlstejn Castle and was terrified to see a lorry with men with guns on the back. They were local men on a hunting trip. I was surprised to find that guns were commonly kept in homes. I expected stern laws to prevent any uprising. Nobody had any respect for the police. The traffic cops were frequently harangued, much shaking of fists. With hindsight it did feel like it was unraveling, or not as tense as I expected.
My husband knew Berlin, east and west and Spandau, very well, having been stationed there for a spellmid 70s; when the wall came down he decided he had to return and show me what he remembered. We booked an off peak week which turned into the week reunification took place.
It wasn't quite the rousing celebration one might have expected. I think they had already realised what an undertaking the merging of the two halves was going to be.
My abiding memory is of the rows and rows of coaches down Kantstrasse, mostly Polish but some from Ukraine and the Baltic states, being frantically loaded with televisions, cigarettes and (by two women baby milk napies and a pram) in advance of the border being closed at midnight.
The Eastern sector reminded me of Shoreditch. Locals were demolishing a garage to supplement their stock of 'Berlin Wall' being sold in the Turkish Market. The slogan 'No Stasi amnesty' was prominent.
We still have some genuine wall in our garage which we picked up ourselves around Potsdamer Platz which was nearly completely flat.
My husband found navigating quite difficult because the wall had been his point of reference. I doubt he would recognise the place now.
I think the nostalgia is for the certainty. We know what happened in the past and we know that we dealt with it, whatever it was, unpleasant or not. The future, however bright, is uncertain.
It's similar to the nostalgia for east London during the crime reign of the Krays.

Ha ha - Steve our childhood haunts us again. I remember that radio. You lent it to me for a week. Unlike you, though, I just have memories of being in bed with it still being light outside (we were sent to be early at 12 in those days) and listening to pirate radio stations. Music was always my thing though.

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